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# Edit detail for #192 Folding does not work in Konqueror 3.1.4 revision 1 of 1

 1 Editor: Time: 2007/11/17 22:05:58 GMT-8 Note: rejected since Konqueror 3.1.4 is outdated and most things work anyway

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Nothing happens when I click on any of the fold/unfold buttons.

Still, the idea is very nice!

From BillPage Wed Jul 13 08:30:39 -0500 2005
From: Bill Page
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:30:39 -0500
Subject: I suggest you try it with a newer version of Konqueror
Message-ID: <20050713083039-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

The current versions is 3.4

See: http://www.konqueror.org

From BillPage Thu Jul 14 12:54:53 -0500 2005
From: Bill Page
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:54:53 -0500
Subject: Using folding to implement tabs
Message-ID: <20050714125453-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

MathActionTabs contains another example of the simple javascript
content folding tools to implement tabs in the browser. I have
tested this with FireFox 1.0.4 and IE 6 sp2 on Windows XP and
it seems to work well. I would like to receive reports from
other users about how this works (or doesn't) on their systems.
(Please include a detailed description of the software and
operating system.)

I would also be very interested in your opion about the new
"point-and-click" features in the comment box. Everything
that you see in the grey box at the bottom of the page, above
the comment box, is "live" and can help with editing - especially
for new users (I hope).

Regards,
Bill Page.

From WilliamSit Thu Jul 14 18:02:48 -0500 2005
From: William Sit
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:02:48 -0500
Subject: [#192 Folding does not work in Konqueror 3.1.4]Using folding to
implement tabs
Message-ID: <42D6EF22.3C02D060@cunyvm.cuny.edu>

Hi Bill:

MathActionTabs ran fine. Nice tabs. Can the tabs be placed vertically, like on the
left side of the window? That way the number of tabs won't be limited by the
width of the screen (although of course one can also scroll horizontally, but
vertical scroll seems more tolerable, to me). I am thinking these may be nested
to become something like the cell/group brackets in Mathematica's Notebook. (The
html code would become quite unreadable. Are the table tags manually generated?)

The point and click features: some symbols (like Sigma and Paragraph signs under
Latex column) not working ("error on page" for IE 6.0.2900 and just nothing
happens on Firefox (Windows XP SP2)). Most of the time, it is the LaTeX text
versions like \alpha that is pasted, not the actual symbol (the \circ is an
exception).

I am using: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0.

William

From billpage Fri Jul 15 00:24:10 -0500 2005
From: billpage
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:24:10 -0500
Subject: Nice Tabs and MathAction Assistant
Message-ID: <20050715002410-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

Yes the tabs could be placed vertically. The software that makes
this possible is very basic and flexible. All that it does is
associate some graphical object on a pages as the control object
for some other object. The objects can be anywhere on the page
and can refer to each other.

Yes the table structure (at least the control connections) must
be entirely coded manually. But this is not a very difficult
problem. Of course the page layout itself can be designed through
some gui page creation software.

Please take a look at the HTML coding in the MathActionTabs page
using 'edit'. Do you find the coding style difficult to follow?
What should I do to document it better?

About the new "point-and-click" interface (which I have decided
to call **MathAction Assistant**): You probably started testing
this before I was finished installing all of the functions. See the
[MathAction Assistant Help] page for a few more details.

What you call the \circ symbol is actually the LaTeX lowercase
Greek letter omicron which as far as LaTeX is concerned is exactly
the same as the letter "o". Of course it is the purpose of the
MathAction Assistant to insert the actuall LaTeX commands and also
some Axiom and Reduce commands for editing. MathAction will convert
these back to symbols when you click 'Preview' or 'Save'.

Nore: I have note yet finished adding the Reduce commands. That
will take me a few more hours later this week.

Regards,
Bill Page.

From MartinRubey Fri Jul 15 02:22:45 -0500 2005
From: Martin Rubey
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:22:45 -0500
Subject: [#192 Folding does not work in Konqueror 3.1.4]	Using folding to
implement tabs
Message-ID: <17111.25520.916186.142502@seam101.local>

Tabs don't work in Konqueror 3.1.4 either. Furthermore, it seems to be very
difficult to upgrade KDE for me. It is reported, that the scripts from
DynamicDrive don't work well with several browsers...

Concerning the "point-and-click" features in the comment box, I think that the
grey box is becoming a little crowded. But I don't mind so much...

referring to previous results. Namely, previously loaded libraries are not
available when the comment is added. I think that it would really help if a
changed page is recalculated in any case...

Martin

From kratt6 Fri Jul 15 02:36:10 -0500 2005
From: kratt6
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:10 -0500
Subject: Now insertion doesn't work anymore
Message-ID: <20050715023610-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

Strange enough, since you changed the grey box yesterday, it doesn't work on Konqueror 3.1.4 anymore... It did work before (I think).

Martin

From BillPage Fri Jul 15 14:52:17 -0500 2005
From: Bill Page
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:52:17 -0500
Subject: a few more details?
Message-ID: <20050715145217-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

Martin, could you take a moment to describe in a little more detail
what you mean by "doesn't work on Kongueror"? What specifically is
not working? Can you point and click to add commands? Is it just the
"unfolding" of the menu that is not working? In the case of browsers
that do not work with the unfolding, they are supposed to be able
to "degrade" gracefully so that you can still use them but they
just are not as nice as with a supported browser. When using
Kongueror is the Assistant menu (grey box) of any use to you at
all?

Do you think it would be worthwhile for me to install Konqueror on
my linux system and see if I can solve the problem? The kind of
things I am doing with javascript here are very basic and it should
be possible to make this work on almost all modern browsers. The
problem usually is just minor variation in function calls.

From MartinRubey Sat Jul 16 04:20:32 -0500 2005
From: Martin Rubey
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:20:32 -0500
Subject: [#192 Folding does not work in Konqueror 3.1.4] a	few more details?
Message-ID: <17112.53451.59495.191438@seam101.local>

Dear Bill,

> Can you point and click to add commands?

No. (I can point and click, but nothing happens.

> Is it just the "unfolding" of the menu that is not working?

Doesn't work either.

> When using Kongueror is the Assistant menu (grey box) of any use to you at
> all?

Only the refresh button (which is simply an URL, it seems) works. And this only
half-heartedly: it does not really work when I want to preview a
comment... (But it's not supposed to, either, I think)

> Do you think it would be worthwhile for me to install Konqueror on my linux
> system and see if I can solve the problem?

Would be great. What system are you using? If you have a KDE, Konqueror is
installed also. Note that upgrading KDE seems to be a major task (unless I
upgrade the whole distro), at least on Mandrake. (I suppose I want to switch to
debian...) So it would be even better if you would get it to work with
3.1.4. Note that rumour has it that the scripts of DynamicDrive are not written
in a portable fashion, so it might be that similar problems occur in other
browsers. There are even browsers without JavaScript around ...

Finally note, that *I* won't use the grey box much, except the thingy that
inserts the axiom environment, maybe. However, it would be nice if things that
don't work at least do not hide too much information, as seems to be the case
with folding/unfolding and tabs. (OK, I must admit, I don't care for the
compiler output. But hidden text would be bad.)

Martin

From unknown Sat Jul 16 18:06:46 -0500 2005
From: unknown
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:06:46 -0500
Subject: MathAction Assistant does not work in Konguerer 3.3.1-4.3.FC3
Message-ID: <20050716180646-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

I just confirmed that when using Konguerer 3.3.1-4.3.FC3 and
KDE 3.3.1.2-12.FC3 on Fedora Core 3, The new MathAction Assistant
and content Folding does not work. I will see if it is possible
to make simple changes to the existing javascript to make these
things work in Konguerer.

From BillPage Sun Jul 17 17:19:32 -0500 2005
From: Bill Page
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:19:32 -0500
Subject: Folding is now woking in Konqueror 3.3.1-4.3.FC3
Message-ID: <20050717171932-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

A few simple changes to the javascript seems to have corrected
the problem with folding in the version of Konqueror that I
have on my Fedora Core 3 system. Please try it with your version
and let me know if it now works.

BTW, this change should also make folding work with the Safari
browser in MAC. If someone is using this browser, please confirm.

I still have a problem with the text insertion from the MathAction
Assistant toolbar.

From kratt6 Mon Jul 18 07:12:24 -0500 2005
From: kratt6
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:12:24 -0500
Subject:
Message-ID: <20050718071224-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

Folding works in Konqueror 3.1.4 now, Tabs don't really. They mess up the display and after clicking on "Series" in MathActionTabs they vanish entirely. insertion still doesn't work.

But I would discourage use of tabs anyway...

Martin

From BillPage Mon Jul 18 10:47:08 -0500 2005
From: Bill Page
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:47:08 -0500
Subject: that is discouraging
Message-ID: <20050718104708-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>

Why would you discourage the use of tabs?

The problem with tabs and Konqueror seems to be due to a bug
in Konqueror's presentation of dynamic tables. If you click the
+/- menu item at the top of the page does it at least correctly
expand the tabs into multiple tables?

After working with Konqueror for a while I don't find it too
surprizing that dynamic tables don't work so well. While trying
to debug the problem with folding, Konqueror actually crashed
and aborted several times on me and all I was doing was sending
it javascript with some syntax errors! I have never had either
FireFox or IE 6 do that to me. From what I see on the net, it
seems that Konqueror has a very bad reputation as a general purpose
browser - especially in connection with javascript. I don't see
any reason why someone would not simply upgrade to FireFox. On
the same machine FireFox is noticably faster, doesn't (usually)
abort, and is more standards compilant than Konqueror.

Anyway, I am glad that the folding is now working since you are
quite right that having "hidden text" on some browsers that can
not even display would be a very bad thing. Folding should always
"degrade gracefully" so that the same information is available
even though it might not be so pretty.

From kratt6 Fri Oct 27 03:09:15 -0500 2006
From: kratt6
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:09:15 -0500
Subject: rejected since Konqueror 3.1.4 is outdated and most things work anyway
Message-ID: <20061027030915-0500@wiki.axiom-developer.org>

Status: open => rejected



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Nothing happens when I click on any of the fold/unfold buttons.

Still, the idea is very nice!

I suggest you try it with a newer version of Konqueror --Bill Page, Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:30:39 -0500 reply
The current versions is 3.4

Using folding to implement tabs --Bill Page, Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:54:53 -0500 reply
MathActionTabs? contains another example of the simple javascript content folding tools to implement tabs in the browser. I have tested this with FireFox? 1.0.4 and IE 6 sp2 on Windows XP and it seems to work well. I would like to receive reports from other users about how this works (or doesn't) on their systems. (Please include a detailed description of the software and operating system.)

I would also be very interested in your opion about the new "point-and-click" features in the comment box. Everything that you see in the grey box at the bottom of the page, above the comment box, is "live" and can help with editing - especially for new users (I hope).

Regards, Bill Page.

Hi Bill:

MathActionTabs? ran fine. Nice tabs. Can the tabs be placed vertically, like on the left side of the window? That way the number of tabs won't be limited by the width of the screen (although of course one can also scroll horizontally, but vertical scroll seems more tolerable, to me). I am thinking these may be nested to become something like the cell/group brackets in Mathematica's Notebook. (The html code would become quite unreadable. Are the table tags manually generated?)

The point and click features: some symbols (like Sigma and Paragraph signs under Latex column) not working ("error on page" for IE 6.0.2900 and just nothing happens on Firefox (Windows XP SP2)). Most of the time, it is the LaTeX text versions like \alpha that is pasted, not the actual symbol (the \circ is an exception).

I am using: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0.

William

Nice Tabs and MathAction Assistant --billpage, Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:24:10 -0500 reply
Yes the tabs could be placed vertically. The software that makes this possible is very basic and flexible. All that it does is associate some graphical object on a pages as the control object for some other object. The objects can be anywhere on the page and can refer to each other.

Yes the table structure (at least the control connections) must be entirely coded manually. But this is not a very difficult problem. Of course the page layout itself can be designed through some gui page creation software.

Please take a look at the HTML coding in the MathActionTabs? page using edit. Do you find the coding style difficult to follow? What should I do to document it better?

About the new "point-and-click" interface (which I have decided to call MathAction Assistant): You probably started testing this before I was finished installing all of the functions. See the MathAction Assistant Help page for a few more details.

What you call the \circ symbol is actually the LaTeX lowercase Greek letter omicron which as far as LaTeX is concerned is exactly the same as the letter "o". Of course it is the purpose of the MathAction Assistant to insert the actuall LaTeX commands and also some Axiom and Reduce commands for editing. MathAction will convert these back to symbols when you click Preview or Save.

Nore: I have note yet finished adding the Reduce commands. That will take me a few more hours later this week.

Regards, Bill Page.

Tabs don't work in Konqueror 3.1.4 either. Furthermore, it seems to be very difficult to upgrade KDE for me. It is reported, that the scripts from DynamicDrive? don't work well with several browsers...

Concerning the "point-and-click" features in the comment box, I think that the grey box is becoming a little crowded. But I don't mind so much...

I had another report concerning the "inconsistency" regarding comments referring to previous results. Namely, previously loaded libraries are not available when the comment is added. I think that it would really help if a changed page is recalculated in any case...

Martin

Now insertion doesn't work anymore --kratt6, Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:10 -0500 reply
Strange enough, since you changed the grey box yesterday, it doesn't work on Konqueror 3.1.4 anymore... It did work before (I think).

Martin

a few more details? --Bill Page, Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:52:17 -0500 reply
Martin, could you take a moment to describe in a little more detail what you mean by "doesn't work on Kongueror"? What specifically is not working? Can you point and click to add commands? Is it just the "unfolding" of the menu that is not working? In the case of browsers that do not work with the unfolding, they are supposed to be able to "degrade" gracefully so that you can still use them but they just are not as nice as with a supported browser. When using Kongueror is the Assistant menu (grey box) of any use to you at all?

Do you think it would be worthwhile for me to install Konqueror on my linux system and see if I can solve the problem? The kind of things I am doing with javascript here are very basic and it should be possible to make this work on almost all modern browsers. The problem usually is just minor variation in function calls.

## #192 Folding does not work in Konqueror 3.1.4 a few more details? --Martin Rubey, Sat, 16 Jul 2005 04:20:32 -0500 replyDear Bill,

> Can you point and click to add commands?

## No. (I can point and click, but nothing happens.

> Is it just the "unfolding" of the menu that is not working?

## Doesn't work either.

> When using Kongueror is the Assistant menu (grey box) of any use to you at > all?

Only the refresh button (which is simply an URL, it seems) works. And this only half-heartedly: it does not really work when I want to preview a comment... (But it's not supposed to, either, I think)

> Do you think it would be worthwhile for me to install Konqueror on my linux > system and see if I can solve the problem?

Would be great. What system are you using? If you have a KDE, Konqueror is installed also. Note that upgrading KDE seems to be a major task (unless I upgrade the whole distro), at least on Mandrake. (I suppose I want to switch to debian...) So it would be even better if you would get it to work with 3.1.4. Note that rumour has it that the scripts of DynamicDrive? are not written in a portable fashion, so it might be that similar problems occur in other browsers. There are even browsers without JavaScript? around ...

Finally note, that I won't use the grey box much, except the thingy that inserts the axiom environment, maybe. However, it would be nice if things that don't work at least do not hide too much information, as seems to be the case with folding/unfolding and tabs. (OK, I must admit, I don't care for the compiler output. But hidden text would be bad.)

Martin

MathAction Assistant does not work in Konguerer 3.3.1-4.3.FC3 --unknown, Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:06:46 -0500 reply
I just confirmed that when using Konguerer 3.3.1-4.3.FC3 and KDE 3.3.1.2-12.FC3 on Fedora Core 3, The new MathAction Assistant and content Folding does not work. I will see if it is possible to make simple changes to the existing javascript to make these things work in Konguerer.

Folding is now woking in Konqueror 3.3.1-4.3.FC3 --Bill Page, Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:19:32 -0500 reply
A few simple changes to the javascript seems to have corrected the problem with folding in the version of Konqueror that I have on my Fedora Core 3 system. Please try it with your version and let me know if it now works.

BTW, this change should also make folding work with the Safari browser in MAC. If someone is using this browser, please confirm.

I still have a problem with the text insertion from the MathAction Assistant toolbar.

Folding works in Konqueror 3.1.4 now, Tabs don't really. They mess up the display and after clicking on "Series" in MathActionTabs? they vanish entirely. insertion still doesn't work.

But I would discourage use of tabs anyway...

Martin

that is discouraging --Bill Page, Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:47:08 -0500 reply
Why would you discourage the use of tabs?

The problem with tabs and Konqueror seems to be due to a bug in Konqueror's presentation of dynamic tables. If you click the +/- menu item at the top of the page does it at least correctly expand the tabs into multiple tables?

After working with Konqueror for a while I don't find it too surprizing that dynamic tables don't work so well. While trying to debug the problem with folding, Konqueror actually crashed and aborted several times on me and all I was doing was sending it javascript with some syntax errors! I have never had either FireFox? or IE 6 do that to me. From what I see on the net, it seems that Konqueror has a very bad reputation as a general purpose browser - especially in connection with javascript. I don't see any reason why someone would not simply upgrade to FireFox?. On the same machine FireFox? is noticably faster, doesn't (usually) abort, and is more standards compilant than Konqueror.

Anyway, I am glad that the folding is now working since you are quite right that having "hidden text" on some browsers that can not even display would be a very bad thing. Folding should always "degrade gracefully" so that the same information is available even though it might not be so pretty.

rejected since Konqueror 3.1.4 is outdated and most things work anyway --kratt6, Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:09:15 -0500 reply
Status: open => rejected